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Bob Andelman: Will
The Green Guide be promoted in
National Geographic publications?
Seth Bauer: Sure will. Yep. That is on the drawing board. There’s a book in the works. We are working with a television group on some things. There are radio pieces in the works. We are really, and you know, we are housed within “digital media,” so we’re housed as a multi-media platform.
Andelman: Now, you came on since the acquisition, as I understand.
Bauer: That’s right. I’m brand new.
Andelman: How has the newsletter changed already, and how will it change in the coming, let’s say, twelve months?
Bauer: I have to answer that that is still in the works. We are looking at the best, broadest way to deliver our information in any platform, including print, and we are looking at a couple of options on the print side, but we haven’t made any decisions, yet.
Andelman: Let me ask you this: what kind of buttons can you push with your readers, and what buttons do you think you have to stay clear of or tread carefully upon?
Bauer: It kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier about staying practical and letting people see and understand all of the benefits that they get from being green, and they are personal benefits, they are financial benefits, they are altruistic rewards, they are being part of a community. The benefits come every which way, and those are the buttons that we push, staying on the practical end. I have a friend, Jeffrey Hollender, who is the founder of Seventh Generation, which makes non-toxic household products, primarily cleaning products, and Jeffrey tells a story of struggling for years to sell his products by saying, buy my household cleaners and save the planet, and the business did moderately well; it grew kind of slowly. And then six, eight years ago, they started saying, buy our household cleaners and save your family, and business took off.
Andelman: It’s the marketing.
Bauer: It’s really where the message is. Let’s think about what your real reward is here. Yes, it’s important to do a little piece of saving the planet, but it’s also important to not have your pets lying outside in, I happen to know you’re a dog owner, not have your pets lying outside in chemical fertilizers, not having your children exposed to chlorine fumes or vinyl off-gassing or formaldehyde off-gassing. You know, if you stop and think about, ask yourself the question, do I really need to do this
this way, many times the answer is no, that there’s a healthier way, and that’s really what
The Green Guide talks about.
Andelman: Now you’re freaking me out a little bit, Seth, because the yard was just sprayed today, and the kids are out in the backyard in the chlorinated pool. Oh, God, 10 demerits for me from
The Green Guide. Before you took this job, how green was your life, and how has your own life changed or will it change since you’ve taken the job?
Bauer: The honest answer is when I was the editor of
Body & Soul magazine, I became very interested in these issues, and these were a small piece of what we wrote about there. I took the easy way, and I don’t regret it at all. All those little, small things that you hear about, that every newspaper that runs an article about going green talks about, changing your light bulbs to compact fluorescents, drying some of your laundry out on a rack rather than all in your dryer. All those little things, going organic with your lawn care, those are all of the things that I did My family, I have a wife and an only child, a high-school age son, and we started about four or five years ago, and it all just felt perfectly comfortable. We never felt like we were sacrificing. We never felt like we were making a major investment at the expense of something else. We were just improving the way we do things. We are in the process now of doing some construction on our kitchen, and we didn’t think twice about keeping as much of the existing structure as possible and essentially recycling existing parts of the house or using non-fiberglass-based insulation. All these things at any given time are relatively small decisions, and you add them together, and you have a green lifestyle.
Andelman: This must have been very helpful in the job interview.
Bauer: Yes. No doubt about that. I was well down this road when I went to talk to Wendy Gordon at
The Green Guide .
Andelman: You said something else I thought was very interesting. You said that these are all little decisions as you go down the path. It actually sounds a lot like dieting, that you make a good decision every day or at every meal. That’s when you make the decision. As it comes along, you make the decision, well, am I going to eat well at this meal? Well, am I going to buy the right product for the house today? That kind of thing.
Bauer: That’s right. And the trick to being a success at it, like dieting, is not to dwell on what you’re giving up but to really understand and enjoy what you are choosing.
Andelman: What makes a good story for
The Green Guide and at the same time, what doesn’t?
Bauer: Practical application makes a good story, things that people can really implement to understand and understand the positive impact of. It can be a huge range of things, from electronics to gardening to what happens at work to family choices to food choices. It’s really a combination of purchases, so your consumer behavior and practices, and any of that range can make for a great
Green Guide story.
Andelman: So there’s more to it than rechargeable batteries, paper versus plastic, bottled water?
Bauer: No, that’s not it.
Andelman: Oh, okay, well, that’s what I thought. Those three and just write about them differently every month.
Bauer: Yeah.
Andelman: Must drive your writers crazy. I guess you probably would tell me that the topic of green is so vast as to be endless.
Bauer: Yeah, and actually, it’s more that like dieting, you think that dieting is a fairly obvious topic, and you discover that there are different things that work for different people and that there are different interests and fads and experiments and all kinds of things that come along. And then in the green world, there’s also a lot of new ideas on the drawing board at any given time and new products and new availability all the time nowadays.
Andelman: There was a couple weeks ahead of when we are doing this interview, there was the Live Earth concerts, and a lot of the talk there was about green and recycling and things, but it seemed like a good day of music. There was a lot of celebrity posing and speechmaking, but a day later, it seemed like it was business as usual. Did any of that have any impact on what you’re doing?
Bauer: Yes -- to the extent that a piece of any motivation to change or to try new things requires inspiration. Something like Live Earth is all about inspiration, and it’s not like the comments that the musicians make are going to change people’s lives, but they are going to change people’s awareness, and then the next time they see information on Mr. Media from
The Green Guide, they are going to scratch their heads, and it’s going to be another piece of, “Oh yeah, I should be thinking about that. Oh yeah, I could do things a little differently.” So I don’t think that they want to imitate Bono necessarily, but I think that he brings an awareness or any of these musicians brings an awareness to people who, you know, just another little puzzle piece in their overall consciousness.
Andelman: Do celebrities have any place in
The Green Guide ?
Bauer: We have had some… Actually, a celebrity was the founder of
The Green Guide.
The Green Guide was founded under the auspices of the Natural Resources Defense Council, by Wendy Gordon, who is still our General Manager, and Meryl Streep.
Andelman: Really?
Bauer: Yep. And Meryl Streep was involved in the NRDC, and she was interested, and she and Wendy, I think, both became moms around the same and started talking about raising children in a less toxic environment and turned that idea into a newsletter that became
The Green Guide .
Andelman: I did not know that. That’s very interesting. And will there be coverage of, will you go to Dave Matthews’ home and write about how he composts or things like that?
Bauer: Only if he does it really practically. I mean, it’s the same, our fundamental method stays the same, which is, we want information that people can employ themselves, and if they think that at Dave Matthews’ house or Oprah’s house or whatever, there are 20 staff people helping to manage the composting and therefore it’s something that he can do but they can’t, there’s no point in our presenting it that way. On the other hand, if we think more people are going to read
The Green Guide because it has Dave Matthews’ name in it somewhere, yeah, we may well invite Dave to be a guest editor. And what we do with our guest editors is we ask them a little bit about their own practices, and then we ask them what really their pet issues are, and then we go ahead and do our own independent stories about those pet issues.
Andelman: How will you grow this publication and bring it out of the margins? I mean, the name alone, I hate to go back to this, but it does sound a little like something found on the freebie rack at the neighborhood health food store.
Bauer: Right. Well, thanks to attaching the name
National Geographic to it, we have a lot more gravitas than we had a few months ago, and we also have many, many more avenues for marketing and exposure. So we see lots of ways to grow it, from print versions at retail, you may see a newsstand version of
The Green Guide in magazine form at some point, to really expanded marketing efforts on the Web. And that is already happening and is really in many ways our primary focus.
Andelman: How important is advertising?
Bauer: Advertising is always important in some form. There is at
National Geographic very careful separation of church and state, and so my mandate is to understand that advertising is important and then not to think about it any further than that.
Andelman: Well, the reason I asked is I imagine that that’s one thing that
Geographic does not necessarily bring to the table is that it doesn’t have that consumer advertising that like
Body & Soul probably had or
Walking. It’s a different type of thing, so I wondered if they would be helpful for that or how much you rely on advertising revenues, I guess, versus subscription revenue.
Bauer: Well,
The Green Guide as a newsletter has primarily been funded by subscriptions, but as we grow and change in some other avenues, advertising will certainly come into play.
Andelman: And what’s next? I mean, will there be social networking through your Web site? That would seem like a logical progression.
Bauer: You know, our very next steps are to do some blogging. We have some really interesting people lined up to be bloggers for
The Green Guide and in three categories. One is sort of big thinkers, and we’ve talked about names you would talk to, people with names you would recognize about blogging on the site. They would talk about really putting what’s happening in the green world into some bigger economic or global perspective. And then we have our own staff which has started blogging, and the staff is really reacting to the news of the day, so when something comes out in the news about new regulations for organic food standards or new products coming out on the market or an energy company making a commitment to using a certain amount of wind power, we’re in a position to put that in perspective for our readers. And then the third group of bloggers are people you could think of as modern diarists, people who are like you. You might have the fertilizer out on the lawn and the kids out in the chlorinated pool, but you’re thinking about taking a couple of steps toward going green. And we have several very good, very funny, very engaging writers lined up to tell us about their experiences and what’s working and what’s not working and what their neighbors are saying and what their mom says and how their kids react and sort of what it’s like as they move in what we would hope to be a positive direction.
Andelman: Finally, Seth, you won an Olympic medal for rowing.
Bauer: It’s true.
Andelman: What year was that, and then what I really want to know is, is there a day that goes by that you don’t think about that experience?
Bauer: The year was 1988. The Olympics were in Seoul, South Korea, that year, and probably there is no day that goes by. It’s partly because I am still so attached to my teammates from the Olympics, I don’t think there’s a day that goes by where I don’t get email from one of them, so it
has to be top of mind. But it was a pretty amazing experience and especially for me. I was a coxswain on the rowing team, and coxswains, if you know anything about rowing, are basically the little people who steer the boat and give the commands, and so I’m 5’ 6”, and I raced at 50 kilos, which was 110 pounds, which I could not do any more, and my teammates are all 6’ 5” and above and 220 and pretty much the finest athletes in the world, so it made for a great team experience.
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